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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 23:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the past 12 years, I&#039;ve used FCS plugs almost exclusively.  

Pros:  Simple and easy to switch fins in and out; Wide variety of fins to choose; I&#039;ve never had a plug rip out on me (though I&#039;ve bottomed out on reef several times and had the fin tabs rip out once).

Cons:  Deck cracking and pressure dimples around the plugs over time (the fastest that ever happened was the second time I ever used my quad-2 front fin plugs dimpled my deck); I had a hairline crack on the bottom left plug from wear; Fastening screw sometimes loosens over time (check every so often).

Overall, I&#039;m pretty happy with how FCS treated me.  No major performance issues noticed even with cracking or dimpling.

With that said, I just changed over to Futures with my latest boards.  Main reason:  Cracking and dimpling of the x-2 plug.  I&#039;ve never tried Fusions but I&#039;m more than willing (seems like a better structural design).  I chose futures because I was impressed with the way my 7&#039;2 JC1&#039;s handled this past year.  Solid box and fins.  Only thing I&#039;m concerned about is a fatal blow to the Future fin box-I hear that&#039;s a death blow to a board.  But anyways, I&#039;m cool with pretty much any fin system.  FCS and Futures are the most accessable for me at this time.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past 12 years, I&#8217;ve used FCS plugs almost exclusively.  </p>
<p>Pros:  Simple and easy to switch fins in and out; Wide variety of fins to choose; I&#8217;ve never had a plug rip out on me (though I&#8217;ve bottomed out on reef several times and had the fin tabs rip out once).</p>
<p>Cons:  Deck cracking and pressure dimples around the plugs over time (the fastest that ever happened was the second time I ever used my quad-2 front fin plugs dimpled my deck); I had a hairline crack on the bottom left plug from wear; Fastening screw sometimes loosens over time (check every so often).</p>
<p>Overall, I&#8217;m pretty happy with how FCS treated me.  No major performance issues noticed even with cracking or dimpling.</p>
<p>With that said, I just changed over to Futures with my latest boards.  Main reason:  Cracking and dimpling of the x-2 plug.  I&#8217;ve never tried Fusions but I&#8217;m more than willing (seems like a better structural design).  I chose futures because I was impressed with the way my 7&#8242;2 JC1&#8217;s handled this past year.  Solid box and fins.  Only thing I&#8217;m concerned about is a fatal blow to the Future fin box-I hear that&#8217;s a death blow to a board.  But anyways, I&#8217;m cool with pretty much any fin system.  FCS and Futures are the most accessable for me at this time.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi would someone suggest a fin for my 6&#039;1&#039; with future fin system (first time with this system) to loosen the board up? 

I got a replica shaped up of my usual board but this time opted to a future system setup opposed to my usual fcs. Problem is by old 6&#039;1 (all beat up and water logged) Is easier to generate speed and much more Manoeuvrable and loose compared with my brand new board. I&#039;m sort&#039;ve regretting the change to future fins at this stage cause as far as I can tell it&#039;s the only major difference in my two boards therefore must be the reason for the lack of performance in small pus waves, which I unfortuanately ride alot.

So any suggestions to loosen my board up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi would someone suggest a fin for my 6&#8242;1&#8242; with future fin system (first time with this system) to loosen the board up? </p>
<p>I got a replica shaped up of my usual board but this time opted to a future system setup opposed to my usual fcs. Problem is by old 6&#8242;1 (all beat up and water logged) Is easier to generate speed and much more Manoeuvrable and loose compared with my brand new board. I&#8217;m sort&#8217;ve regretting the change to future fins at this stage cause as far as I can tell it&#8217;s the only major difference in my two boards therefore must be the reason for the lack of performance in small pus waves, which I unfortuanately ride alot.</p>
<p>So any suggestions to loosen my board up?</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah worst things about futures fins leave them in for couple of months and they seize in there need to get a screw drive to wedge it out,  and the future screws face forward doubt thats much good for drag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah worst things about futures fins leave them in for couple of months and they seize in there need to get a screw drive to wedge it out,  and the future screws face forward doubt thats much good for drag</p>
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		<title>By: Doug South</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug South</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having trouble taking out the Future Fins from their fin box.  Anyone got any tips?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having trouble taking out the Future Fins from their fin box.  Anyone got any tips?</p>
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		<title>By: Forlorn Surfer (colt)</title>
		<link>http://www.surfinghandbook.com/surfboard-design/surfboard-fins/fin-system-guide/comment-page-1/#comment-4392</link>
		<dc:creator>Forlorn Surfer (colt)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 06:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i got a o fishl system but i can&#039;t find any longboard fins for it like ANYWHERE!!! and if it&#039;s a 10.5&quot; box, does it matter what size fin i get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i got a o fishl system but i can&#8217;t find any longboard fins for it like ANYWHERE!!! and if it&#8217;s a 10.5&#8243; box, does it matter what size fin i get?</p>
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		<title>By: zack the hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>zack the hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whatever.

I would recommend the people not use fins at all. Side slip more. The Hobgods think its cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever.</p>
<p>I would recommend the people not use fins at all. Side slip more. The Hobgods think its cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadshaper aka Bruce Fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadshaper aka Bruce Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Karl, but I have to respectfully disagree. After being in the industry for decades, I&#039;d have to say that blaming the glassers for a design that has inherent design deficiencies simply isn&#039;t fair.

A skin to skin connection is theoretically the strongest form of reinforcement for fin systems and fin boxes that experience significant lateral load bearing.  After pioneering the method needed to eliminate fin box blowout and failure on windsurfers, we did, indeed find the best method of reinforcement was a skin to skin connection.

However, the problem with the FCS X2 plugs is the lack of reinforcement around the fin plugs and the &quot;H&quot; pattern hat connects to the deck layer: even with a deck patch. Severe lateral torque or a blow to the leading edge or the fin can (and does) result inthe plug punching down below the bottom surface, the O ring of reinforcement cracking, or the corner of the tab slot cracking where the material is very thin adjacent to the perimeter of the plug wall.

I maintain, that in theory, it was a good idea, and overall the plugs handle considerable demands, but if you were to ask any number of surfboard repair shops how often they have to replace cracked FCS plugs, they would tell you it&#039;s pretty common. 

How can I make these statments? How do I qualify?

I have spent 40 years in the industry building high performance surfboards and sailboards including operating the busiest repair shop in Santa Barbara throughout the 80&#039;s decade. I also designed and built the 2nd fastest sailboard in the world as clocked by radar.

See this retrospective:

http://www.goletasurfing.com/fowler.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Karl, but I have to respectfully disagree. After being in the industry for decades, I&#8217;d have to say that blaming the glassers for a design that has inherent design deficiencies simply isn&#8217;t fair.</p>
<p>A skin to skin connection is theoretically the strongest form of reinforcement for fin systems and fin boxes that experience significant lateral load bearing.  After pioneering the method needed to eliminate fin box blowout and failure on windsurfers, we did, indeed find the best method of reinforcement was a skin to skin connection.</p>
<p>However, the problem with the FCS X2 plugs is the lack of reinforcement around the fin plugs and the &#8220;H&#8221; pattern hat connects to the deck layer: even with a deck patch. Severe lateral torque or a blow to the leading edge or the fin can (and does) result inthe plug punching down below the bottom surface, the O ring of reinforcement cracking, or the corner of the tab slot cracking where the material is very thin adjacent to the perimeter of the plug wall.</p>
<p>I maintain, that in theory, it was a good idea, and overall the plugs handle considerable demands, but if you were to ask any number of surfboard repair shops how often they have to replace cracked FCS plugs, they would tell you it&#8217;s pretty common. </p>
<p>How can I make these statments? How do I qualify?</p>
<p>I have spent 40 years in the industry building high performance surfboards and sailboards including operating the busiest repair shop in Santa Barbara throughout the 80&#8217;s decade. I also designed and built the 2nd fastest sailboard in the world as clocked by radar.</p>
<p>See this retrospective:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goletasurfing.com/fowler.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goletasurfing.com/fowler.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been riding FCS since their start and have never had the plugs crack my deck. If they are its the glassers fault and not the system. You are supposed to use a rear deck patch in addition to your normal cloth. Many don&#039;t!!Buy a custom board and specify your glassing needs. In todays market of $600 to $800 shortboards you can get a custom for the same and many times less specifcally designed for you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been riding FCS since their start and have never had the plugs crack my deck. If they are its the glassers fault and not the system. You are supposed to use a rear deck patch in addition to your normal cloth. Many don&#8217;t!!Buy a custom board and specify your glassing needs. In todays market of $600 to $800 shortboards you can get a custom for the same and many times less specifcally designed for you!!</p>
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		<title>By: Deadshaper aka Bruce Fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadshaper aka Bruce Fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 40 years of dedicated board building, I&#039;ve seen just about every system you can imagine. I began using FCS Fusion system to replace the round X2 FCS plugs that I always considered labor intensive and  a sub standard design. The Fusion system was originally designed by FCS for installation into EPS Epoxy boards, but the application is so far superior to other systems, that I use it standard in all my boards. 

The double tab system breaks when it should, offering affordable and easy replacement, as well as some placement fore and aft. The system is light weight and very strong including a high density foam piece on each cassette that are available in 0, 5, and 8 degree fin cants.

Fusion is easy to install into shaped blanks, and the system nets a very light strong cosmetically appealing end result in all my custom poly &amp; epoxy surfboards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 40 years of dedicated board building, I&#8217;ve seen just about every system you can imagine. I began using FCS Fusion system to replace the round X2 FCS plugs that I always considered labor intensive and  a sub standard design. The Fusion system was originally designed by FCS for installation into EPS Epoxy boards, but the application is so far superior to other systems, that I use it standard in all my boards. </p>
<p>The double tab system breaks when it should, offering affordable and easy replacement, as well as some placement fore and aft. The system is light weight and very strong including a high density foam piece on each cassette that are available in 0, 5, and 8 degree fin cants.</p>
<p>Fusion is easy to install into shaped blanks, and the system nets a very light strong cosmetically appealing end result in all my custom poly &amp; epoxy surfboards.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, btw dont listen to a kook that &quot;heavily&quot; surfs a 7&#039;0&quot;, even though he happens to be right..

I surf every day theres waves and am very hard on my boards, FCS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, btw dont listen to a kook that &#8220;heavily&#8221; surfs a 7&#8242;0&#8243;, even though he happens to be right..</p>
<p>I surf every day theres waves and am very hard on my boards, FCS.</p>
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